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>> thank you so much, sarah, and thank you so much to all of you and thank you for joining us, have a great and safe weekend. good evening, thank you for joining us, tonight another story, you'll only see right here on cnn. cnn has learned that investigators now believe russia tried to use trump advisors to infiltrate the cam pain. pamela brown broke the story with details. >> we have learned that the fisher has gathered intelligence, that suggested russian operatives were trying to use trump advisors, including carter page to infiltrate the donald trump campaign and have influence within the campaign, this is according to multiple -- critical speech of u.s. policy against russia in july of 2016, at a promise -- this new
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information, we're learning, adds to this emerging picture, anderson, of how the russians tried to influence the 2016 electi election, not only through email hags but also through fake news. now the intelligence that was gathered last year--these officials made it clear that they don't know whether page or the other advisers were aware that the russians may have been using them because of the way russian spy services operate, page for one could have unknowingly talked with russian agents. >> so what's carter page saying about all this. >> we reached out to him today, he disputed the idea that he's ever collected intelligence for the russians, saying that he actually helped the u.s. intelligence community. my assumption throughout the last 26 years, i've been going there, russia, has always been
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that any russian person might share information with the russian government, as i have similarly done with the cia, the fbi and other government agencies in the past, but anderson, but you as officials say intelligence say that russia tried to infiltrate by using backdoor channels -- people like carter page, but it's important to note here that within the trump campaign, carter page was viewed as someone who had little or no influence, but as we reported before, he is one of the several trump advisors whom u.s. and european intelligence services interpreted -- >> where do things stand now with the investigation. >> well, it's still ongoing, and t the fbi intelligence analysts continue to analyze computer sources and they have found suggestions of possible collusion between trump campaign associates and russian officials
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but we're told at this stage there's not enough evidence to show or proof that crimes were committed to our sources. and part of the problem here anderson for investigators has been that they essentially lost the opportunity to conduct this investigation in secret, after several leaks last year that revealed these people were looking at the donald trump campaign. and those people that the u.s. was monitoring then changed their behavior and that made it more difficult for the fbi to monitor them. >> and the only name right now that you have learned from -- being believed is carter page, but he said there may have been other advisors. >> right, so our sources tell us that carter page was certainly a big concern, starting last summer, when he made that speech in moscow, and the -- we have previously reported, anderson,a there were several communications with other donald
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trump advisors, including paul manafort and michael flynn, but we have named them in the story. but we have been told there were other advisors that russians were trying to cultivate their relationships with. >> want to bring in the panel, i want to quickly run down the timeline of page's history with roush that. working several years for merrill lynch on several deals with the russian company gaspron. some people said he was not very high up in the organization and sort of quibble about how important he was in some of those deals. several years later, he was a witness in the federal prosecution of an under cover russian spy, who allegedly tried to recruit him without carter page's knowledge. spy had reportedly talked about
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page, calling him an idiot. by 2015, he was part of an fbi case, the bureau including his dealings with others did not progress to them actually recruiting him. then in 2016, page took trip to moscow, that prompted to fbi to get a fisa warrant to monitor him. which brings us to the time in his campaign and now in the spotlight. joining us the carl bernstein and phillip mud. knowing everything you know about carl page and the fbi and cia operations. what do you make of this? i mean does it surprise you at all that the russians would be interested in somebody like carter page, whose exact, you know, power within the trump orbit is questionable at best? >> i don't think that's the question here, it doesn't surprise me at all, because you have to understand, his role in
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the campaign, his position isn't the only element that would get him in the russian orbit. let me give you four or five questions i would have if irp an analyst looking for this in the russian side. can he advise us who's responsible for example for setting policy on sanctions against russia. can he advise us where those people are? what clubs they go to, there's a whole range of issues that he can advise on, down to what's day to day, when is somebody going to make a statement from the campaign about russian sanctions. a lot of things he has access to regardless of his seniority in the campaign, anderson. >> what kind of things would the russians have been trying to extract from carter page, and what kind of tactics would they have employed. >> yeah, once again, phil's got
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it exactly right, what the russians would infer from that entire access to the operation. this is typically done -- access agents, the russians would have somebody that wouldn't have the greatest access themselves, not sitting down with donald trump or other than senior folks as has been alleged by the trump team. but somebody like that is still incredibly useful. maybe still i don't have the type of access that you glooiuye looking for. i can tell you where that person hangs out or what their motivations might be. even somebody who's at a relatively low levels. use people like that as access into people who they have greater access. they would use you know any types of motivation that they could find if there's -- if there are financial motivations,
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if we know carter page has assessed. he looks pretty pro russian, and it looks like his personality, his ego, so all those things could be manipulated so all those things may be brought into play. we don't know yet whether he cooperated, but that's certainly not what's going on on the russian side. >> and carter page has certainly been involved in business issues elsewhere. ryan, it's interesting, when things, well, look, he wasn't really important in the trump organization, in fact, in a monthor so of making that speech in moscow, folks in the trump campaign basically started to distance themselves and finally say, oh, well, he was never really part of our organization. but the russians, at the stage, that he was actually in moscow, i mean he was playing up, he was, you know, well known as a trump advisor, at that point, even if he hadn't reallied a
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virzed the president on nirg, or the can date on nirg, and in interviews in moscow, he said that he had been attending meetings with donald trump and been in meetings, which again is not true, he had been to rallies. >> you can advice on the campaign in different ways. some advisors did down every day. and write memos and influence campaigns or policies that way by talking to more important people. just because he never hung out with trump all day, doesn't tell you exactly what his influence in the campaign is. we can tell you that the cam pain -- one of the major breaks that the trump campaign had in last year's quacampaign, they wanted a new relationship with russia, he was very anti-nato, so if you go down the line with the issues that trump took, they
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were favorable so putin. so one of the puzzles we haven't really figured out in all that is why was that? is that just something donald trump came up with on his own, or did people like carter paige and paul manafort and others have influence. we do know that at the republican national committee, there was a fight over how to deal with ukraine and whether the republicans should call for the u.s. arming the ukrainians who are fighting russian bagged separatists in the eastern ukraine and we know that that debate was settled in a way that broke with what most of the republican establishment wanted. so those are the things as this investigation goes on, you would want to know to really get a sense of whether page had any influence and whether frankly as crazy as this sounds, the russians successfully infiltrated cam pain and affected policy. >> it's so interesting, that what phil said, even if he
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didn't have influence, he could give information even unknowingly about whether he did have influence, who the players were on russian policy, all the kind of inner workings, and not even know whether that evaluation would be of value to them. >> he's a way into the trump campaign and subject to manipulation, what's so significant about carter page is that he is a minow, swimming in a sea of sharks, russian sharks and trump sharks and he was used by both and both were chasing after him and what has become so important in terms of the investigation by the fbi is that by following him and having electronic surveillance of him, they have been able to open up this supposed conspiracy of the donald trump campaign and colluding with russians to help the trump campaign against hillary clinton. that is what the fbi is looking at and trying to establish, and
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as pam grounds's specific report indicates, there is now a greatly expanded fisher investigation even though there are not yet indictments or definitive evidence of criminal activity, but they are now looking, the fbi, at travel records of those closest to donald trump, closest to his campaign apparatus at the top, closest to his business organization, trying to understand why there are all these dealings and back and forth between ethno russians and russians, in russia and eastern europe as well. with trump campaign officials. and carter page is a key way, following this minow, as he swims around with these sharks chasing after him on both sides. >> we're going to talk more about this. after the break, my recent interview with the man or the minow, carl said, this hour at least, carter page, also later, what the president now calls ridiculous, he once called a
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campaign pledge, a new contract with america, his pledge to get a list of things done in his first 100 days. we'll take a look at that list and what the president is saying now about that list of marking the first 100 days. keeping them honest, ahead. it's league night!? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico! goin' up the country.
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our breaking news tonight
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saying that -- the fbi gathering evidence to that effect last summer, page denies he everybody gathered intelligence for moscow. he and i spoke at length recently before this latest development. but after his name surfaced with questions about the campaign, here's mart of the conversation. >> they were apparently, they said early on, that you were an advisor to the campaign, a foreign policy advisor, did you every -- >> president trump said it absolutely 110% accurate. i never briefed him and in reality -- >> did you everybody meet him? >> i never shook his hand. i have been in many rallies with him from arizona to north dakota to many in new york. >> rallies? >> rallies. which is meetings, so -- >> let me ask you about that, because you have said you were
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repeatedly in meetings with the president. you were in moscow in september of 2016. you were at a press conference at the sputnik headquarters, you denied claims that you never met trump during your time as adviser, and you said i have certainly been in a number of meetings with him. that implies in a conference room around a table, you are saying that those meetings were actually rallies? >> if you look at the definition of meeting in russia -- in a russian context -- >> do you speak russian? >> i get by, i understand what's happening in meetings -- >> you're saying you're using the russian definition of meetings -- >> i have been in smaller rallies -- >> hundreds or tens of thousands of people who have been to
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donald tru donald trump rallies, can they say they have been in meetings with trump? >> they were often discussed in rallies, et cetera as well. >> if i go to a rally of donald trump's, it doesn't mean i'm an advisor to donald trump, it doesn't mean i'm going to a meeting with donald trump, i happen to be -- i'm a rally. so you went to a bunch of donald trump rallies. >> yes, things like that. >> donald trump name you as part of the foreign policy team, that was in march, then in august, they say you were an informal advisor, and then james miller said you're not an advisor and you made no contribution to the campaign. >> i never met james miller. i think he joined kind of mid summer. >> did you actually write policy papers and send them to the campaign?
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>> i don't like talking about specifics -- >> you're telling the "new york times" you did so on march 25. >> that'sary enough. >> can you say who you sent policy papers to? >> i don't talk about internal matters. >> they are talking about internal matters saying you weren't part of the campaign at all. i'm not surprised, he didn't know me, he -- >> nobody ever came out after jason miller said this, and said actually that's not true, carter page has been an advisor to the campaign. >> the beauty of it. part of the reason why i stepped back is i wanted to prevent -- continuing to be a distraction. and i mean this news cycle -- >> they said you weren't part of it to begin with, which is just weird. >> area sjason didn't know, it hon 234es mistake. between ted cruz's campaign and moving on to someone else right
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now. >> so when sean spicer, on january 11, just two months ago, says carter page is an individual where the president-elect does not know and was put on notice months ago by the campaign, what were you put on notice for? >> i met mr. spicer, either. >> look, you've heard carter page, jason miller from the campaign, and jason miller is with us now. but there's plenty of time for scotts outdoor cleaner plus oxiclean to work it's magic. all while being safe to use around plants and grass. guaranteed. this is a scotts yard. at lincoln, we're all about making things simpler for you.
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breaking news tonight, another chapter in the russia white house watch. the fbi gathered intelligence last summer that suggests russian operate ived tried to u trump advisors to infiltrate -- jason miller is going to be here to respond, he was a communications advisor for the donald trump campaign. >> donald trump names you as part of the foreign policy team, and that was in march, and in august, they say you were an informal advisor, and a month later, jason miller says you're not an advisor, and you have made no contribution to the campaign, and you say you've
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been sending policy papers to the campaign as far back as in march. >> i never met carter page. i think he joined kind of mid summer. >> so you never met carter page? >> no. >> can date trump did name him as one of five advisor s advisod carter page phd, did to your knowledge carter page have any role, did he put in policy papers, do you know? >> not at all. here's the deal, carter page never met president trump, he never spoke with president trump, he said in some article, he went to lunch at trump grill, which if you know anything about trump tower, i went to a yankees game a few years ago. >> i mean he says he went to
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meetings, he's talking about rallies that thousands and thousands of people went to. >> it's completely ridiculous. and i think there's kind of a broader push back point that i have with regard to the media, it seems that every time that president trump is starting to put together a very good week or even a very good day. when one of these stories pops up from these baseless allegations from anonymous sources. this story had four reporters in the by line, there's not one single quoted source in that entire story that identifies them by name to back up these allegations, i think that's completely ridiculous, i think there's this culture of let's go and try to get trump i think has gone way too far. >> that's a culture that -- is it the reporters doing that or is it the officials who are leaking information to the reporters. >> i think this is the by product of pushing back on the administration state. i think these are potentially folks in law enforcement. bottom line is whoever it is, it
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is people that are upset that people have drained the swamp. >> there is an fbi investigation going on and it's not out of the complete realm of possibility that carter page would be a f focus of this because he was named as a trump advisor, and it's clear that he didn't have a -- if donald trump names him as the national security advisor, one of five, and this guy seems to be spouting pro putin policies with regard to mos tow-- >> i think negotiation in the media can't have it both ways, it was reported that some russian operative spoke with carter page and determined that he was too stupid -- >> they called him an idiot. >> he's not even a useful idiot. he's just a plain idiot. he had no role to the campaign,
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this 15 minutes is the only attention he's going to get. he had no role in the campaign. >> carl, does that matter whether or not he had a role? phil mudman made -- who knew the inner workings of the campaign, or knew who was affecting russian policy. little details. >> again, there is great evidence that this minow was pursued by the sharks in the trump campaign, and by the russian sharks. but i want to go to something jason miller said about four reporters and anonymous sources, and i don't want to belabor the example of watergate, but in watergate, in the stories we did at "the washington post" and also what the "new york times" did, there was not a single quoted source, it was all reporting based on anonymous sources, mr. miller, tell me if indeed i am correct that you have often been anonymous
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source, am i correct got that? >> i have been sources with plenty of sources, here's the difference, carl. >> just to answer that question. >> after eight months of them looking at this, including today's story, including today's story, there's still nothing at the end of it. there's not one shred of evidence that says that the cam pain and any foreign entity. >> the counter terrorism -- >> let me tell mr. miller something about what ask going on. there is so far, as far as i know, from fbi sources, and s s sources on capitol hill, no definitive evidence yet. there is serious belief in the fbi, in the congressional committees, in the house and the senate. that there is an active cover-up going on involving trying to keep investigators from finding out what happened in terms of the trump campaign, trump associates, near the top of the campaign, and what happened in their associations with
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russians. and that there is an active cover-up going on, doesn't mean an active obstruction of justice, but mr. miller, you cannot keep going on with this fiction, that nothing occurred and nothing serious is being investigated. and one of the things that the congressional committees are very concerned about as is the fbi is that they don't have the resources to conduct a proper investigation, and the white house is taking advantage of it. there are only seven investigators, many of them part-time, in the congressional investigation in the house, not many more in the senate, and it's a reason why the white house does not want a special prosecutor or a select committee of the house and senate and why increasingly members of congress do want it. >> phil, i mean with your experience with the fbi and the cia, does it -- would it matter that carter page, you know, might -- you know, was once called an idiot by russian intelligence back in 2013 or that he wasn't even--you know,
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he wasn't in meetings with donald trump if the russian aids didn't really know that, because he had been named by donald trump as one of his advisors. would he have had a value to the russians, even if he had a minor connection with the cam pain. >> your have to understand him as a repository of information. if you want to infill trait an intelligence organization. carter page is a repository, potentially, i don't know if he did anything wrong, of information that would be of value regardless of whether he's an it you -- conversations about foreign policy sanctions. regardless of whether he's involved in those krvess. that's really important to a russian who wants to report to those people and potentially influence them. >> he wasn't even in the
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organization, he is completely outside, and carl, i want to go back to something you said a moment ago, because you threw out what were some pretty outlandish allegations. what shred of evidence have you or anyone else put forward that untoward activities were going on during the campaign. i think that's really dangerous to say this about the president of the united states. >> that's the center of the fbi investigation. what i'm saying is they're trying to find out what occurred. it is possible, mr. miller, that they will find out that nothing occurred, nothing untoward occurred. though they seem to doubt that that's going to be their findings, because we already see what mr. flynn has done, we already know some of mr. manafort's activities and there is an investigation going on that the president of the united states himself and those who advise him, would say hey, we want to cooperate, we want to --
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including the financial records of jared kushner, including of ivanka trump, including of donald trump and the trump family, because one of the things the fishbi is having a h sometime getting a handle on. but there are people in the investigations who think it is not tangential. they're trying to find out the truth, and they're having trouble, because people are putting impediments in their way. >> i don't see, just a final word here, i don't know whanokn impediments are being put out. i would like to see susan rice brought up to testify to get to the bottom of this unmasking. >> i didn't see her on the list from congressman schiff today. >> i think that republicans have a different list, it seems like the democrats are a different list. >> it would be good to find out
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that if there's only about 2,400 or so unmaskings done each year, why she did this dozens and dozens of times. i think, look, i think it's ridiculous, i think when you read a story like today, where you have four reporters on the by line, zero on the record sources, who are actually making these accusations that something happened with the campaign, look, i think that's completely out of bounds. >> we should also point out that our latest reporting among republicans and democrats, that nunez said that susan rice did nothing wrong. next president trump's tweet at the 100-day benchmark is, quote a ridiculous standard, if that's so, why did he repeatedly set that standard for himself during the campaign. keeping them honest.
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our keeping them honest report can be summed up in is just two we'ords, wait, what? no matter how much i accomplished during the first
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100 days, and it has been a lot, media will kill. this 100-day thing it's absurd, who would even make such a promise. >> on november 8 americans will be voting on this 100-day plan to secu to return security to our governments and -- we will once more have a government of, by and for the people. and importantly, we will mike america great again. believe me. >> you know, he put that 100-daytime line with great fanfare. it sounds like what he had done for years as a real estate developer. he late it out, his closing pitch in the final days of the campaign, in gettysberg. actually he tweet it about it as well, this 100-day standard he
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now calls ridiculous. my contact with the american people will restore accountability in washington. the contract called for 13 executive actions and 10 major pieces of legislation, with candidate trump fighting to get it all done in the first 100 days if he got elected. keeping them honest, he's been fairly successful on the executive action, those orders on sanctuary cities were put on hold by the court, even the republicans controlled both chambers in congress, not even on the centerpiece, the promise he made again and again long before he put it in the 100-day pledge. >> real change begins immediately with the repealing and replacing of the disaster known as obama care. >> get rid of obama care, it's going to be gone, it's going to be terminated. >> obama care is a disaster. >> repeal it and replace it. >> repeal and replace.
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>> repeal and replace. >> obama care, we're going to repeal it, we're going to replace it, we're going to get something done. >> obviously no legislation on that just mixed signals and trying to revive it. he did get his supreme court nominee neil gorsuch on the bench. just days after the signing ceremony for a number of executive actions, on health care and tax kcuts, those are number 5 and number one of what this -- >> how are you going to accomplish all that? >> it's going to be great, it will happen. >> what about health care. >> we'll see what happens. no particular rush, but we'll see what happens, but health care is coming along well. government is coming along really well. a lot of good things are happening, thank you folks. >> it doesn't matter if it's next week, next week doesn't matter. >> so now two of the top legislative items on the president's 100-day pledge are
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no big deal. by the sound of it, his own 100-day standard, in his own words, were ridiculous. at the same time, the president's communication staff is grappling with how to sum up this first 100 days. >> we have done so many great things, including nominate and confirm a supreme court justice, roll back more regulations than any president in modern times, restore confidence in the economy. >> some of it is debatable, some of it is just false. whatever the truth of it is, that's just a pal try list of accomplishments when set against the candidate's lofty -- if he was trying to close a deal there as he has done so many times before in business. you have to wonder whether he's doing something else renegotiating the terms when the payment comes due. >> i don't think that there is a presidential period of time in
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the first 100 days where anyone's done nearly what we will be able to do. >> joining me is our panel. kirsten, let me start with you, there's a very valid argument fob made that the whole 100 day thing is an artificial timeline propagated by the media and politicians, but it is an arbitrary deadline. that being said, can the president have had it both ways, this 100 days, this is what he's going to accomplish, and now say that it's a ridiculous timeline that the media has just proop gaited? >> he's now saying he had the best 90 days, so it's smgs he has embraced and made promises about, i think he probably didn't have the best first 1 00 da days, so we know that even he recognizes that, but it doesn't mean that he can't have a successful presidency, it just
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means that he didn't get off to a very good start. it's understanding, that he came into the white house has somebody who didn't have washington experience, i think it's probably a little bit surprised that he won, and probably didn't have the institutional experience to do this, they got off to a -- where the travel ban, and mishandled that, by any objective standard, he just has not really been able to do some of the major things that he wanted to do. signing che ining executive ordy easy, but getting legislation done is very easy. >> don't you feel like the president has been tripped up now in two cases by things he said on the campaign trail, which probably were true at the time or may not have been. and now, you know, a, the carter page thing, that carter page is the national security advisor. carter page was not the national security advisor, he was just a name that donald trump needed to put out there, so now he's needing to be tripped up business that, because you're saying, well, wait a minute.
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in this case he's talking about about this 100-day pledge, he did use it. >> i think what his tweet was getting at was not that he doesn't look at the 100-day marker has something that's important. he obviously does, he constantly refers to it. he recently referred to it as having the best 90 days, but i think what his tweet was getting at is this standard for his 100 days, as opposed to the 100 days as past president. keystone, tpp, supreme court justice, his legislative proposals haven't gone through yet, but when you look at the pledge, the language of the pledge says i will immediately per sue these matters. he has immediately pursued health care, the freedom caucus hasn't walked towards him. but he has immediately per sued everything he put on that contract. >> eric? >> he tried, right? i think as you point out, this is something we have seen that
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carries over from his commercial practices over a number of years, all well documented,a if you are his creditor, if you are his customer, that you are a suppli supplier, when the bill came e due, you got a compelling story. you didn't get the money that you were owed. you got a refund, if you were lucky, or you had to go into court to fight for it. i think that's what we're going to see here as well. as far as it being an arbitrary marker, it goes back to fdr and the 100 days of what was a national emergency. where 13 major pieces of legislation got passed, where things were so urgent that fdr swore in his entire cabinet in one smeend got to work the very first day. a true national emergency, swept presidents, tried to kind of hype up their own importance, we're going to do something
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similar, we're going to be like fdr, it's such an emergency, aye got to get elected, that turns out not to be true. >> we have to look at the bigger picture, there's a fundamental disconnect between what we're seeing on the 24/7 news cycle and the main stream media and white house and the rest of the country. around the country, we're seeing congress assumer confidence at a 17-year high. small business confidence is going up. the dow jones industrial average up 11%. we have also seen the president step up and lead on the world stage. these aren't things necessarily that would have been described in the contract, if the president laid out at the speech in gettysberg. we saw him go i think do a fantastic job of stopping assad from the ability to use chemical weapons again and we have seen him on the world stage stand up to kim jong-un and send a
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message. there's other things where they have really got mpb the ball moving, we're talking about this coupling of security and economic issues, this fantastic job that william cohen and wilbur ross have been dough, they're really setting the stage for these bilateral trade deals. we're talking about the first 100 days, a very -- we're safer, when other parts of the world are definitely not becoming safe and i think people are pretty happy with where things are right now. >> his poll numbers are at pretty of course lows. >> where they are right now are along who you voted for in the previous election. campaigns, it's always a difference between when you're the president by yourself or there's a campaign or there's a choice between two different candidates. nothing fundamentally as changed
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in a lot of ways, we're still a divided country, and i >> is this just kind of a eastern corridor media thing? >> i think two things. one, if donald trump felt the way that jason feels, i think he would be saying that. i think he would be saying i had a fantastic 100 days. instead, he is saying, what 100 days, who cares? i think probably suggests that was a great spin and you were focusing on things that he has nothing to do with. i don't think you think unemployment has anything to do with donald trump. i'm not saying everything that he did was wrong. i think that it has sort of objectively not been a great 100 days. i go back to the fact that he doesn't want to talk about it as evidence that that's true. in terms of this corridor thing, this is our job. it's to talk about what's happening in government and with the people in power.
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and he is somebody who made a promise about the first 100 days. i don't think because you are saying i don't know how you know this but the average person doesn't care, let's say that is true, i don't think it makes it not important. >> i thank everybody on the panel. a teacher is in federal custody. his 15-year-old is back with her family. how they ended up in this california cabin. that's a live picture. we will bring you the whole story next. get your ancestrydna kit. spit. mail it in. learn about you and the people and places that led to you. go explore your roots. take a walk through the past. meet new relatives. and see how a place and its people are all a part of you. ancestrydna. save 20% through wednesday at
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a 15-year-old has been reunited with her family and is being treated by trauma experts. the teacher accused of taking her away from her hometown has been arrested finally. 50-year-old tad coupummins is expected to be arraigned monday. sara sidner has details. >> reporter: 39 days. that's how long law enforcement, family and friends have been looking for tad cummins and his kidnap victim. it started when he was seen by another student kissing the 15-year-old girl. the student reported that and cummins was suspended. soon disappeared with his victim. there were citings in oklahoma and leads. after more than a month, no arrest. that is until cummins and the girl met this man in remote cecilville, california.
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>> he came looking for work. >> so cummins bunked down for a night. the area is so remote that the loudest sound is the rushing water from a mountain stream outside. there is no cell service, no wi-fi, no electricity in the cabin which was still being built. what did he say to you? what were the conversations that you had? >> the first time he was like, we're from colorado. we had a house fire and lost everything. >> reporter: did he tell you the relationship? >> he said it was his wife. but she was in the car. >> reporter: two other residents thought something didn't seem right when they noticed the vehicle didn't have license plates. he said cummins and the girl found a coko commune that let t stay but he made himself unwelcome. >> he did suspect that he would
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be safer here. just about as far away as you can get from memphis, tennessee. >> i had a picture of the amber alert. i was like, that's the guy. >> reporter: hair color different? >> yeah. it was vague just the way he was going about it. keeping her in the shadows. >> sara sidner joins me. did they find anything in the cabin? >> they did. i'm going to take you into the cabin. we have permission from the owner of the cabin. we found out some of the things they got, because they letter behind a search warrant and a few item items. they were going to be cooking and they were ready to stay here for a bit. there was beding. there was also ky jelly and coconut oil. those things important because investigators are trying to prove that he intended to have sex with the 15-year-old girl. they also that he filled two e prescription for an erectile
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dysfunction medication. he took her almost 2,000 miles here to this row most ar remote california. it really is remote. we are in the mountains. there's just a mountain stream and a bunch of trees. you are surrounded by high mountains here. they intended to be here, because this is a place there's no cell phone, no electricity, nothing out here to help people communicate. very easy to try to allude, evade police. but because of this gentleman, the caretaker here and a friend, these guys got caught. >> sara sidner, thanks very much. another hour of 360, including breaking news tonight. sources telling cnn, the fbi gathered intelligence that suggests russian operatives tried to use trump operatives. ♪
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